New Jersey bans death penalty
The first state in over 30 years to stop executions, it's fairly significant don't you think?
I kind of like Corzine, even if I do think he's probably as dirty as my week old underwear.
Not as heavy as it could be seeing as how they haven't offed anybody in my entire lifetime, but still significant, again IMO.
The only argument one can make for killing them instead of life in prison is based on the false premise that somehow being in prison for the rest if your life isn't all that bad. We're talking no possibility of parole here, ever, so that straw man is burned.
And anyone that think state prison is a fucking country club where you just hang out and and pump up and learn to be a lawyer so you can dick with the system on our by God dime doesn't know anyone that's ever been in a state prison, let alone been there themselves. I never have, though I've visited, but I know a few, sadly, not for knowing them just for them being there, that have been in state prison.
We're not talking where people who screw tens of thousands of people out of their life savings go. But I won't get into the gross disparities between 'white' and 'blue' collar crimes, they speak for themselves as far as I'm concerned.
And one could argue that being in prison possibly getting ass raped for the next couple of decades and maybe even shived in the process would be harsher than being offed nice and quiet like with a nice buzz and an audience and all your pain and suffering ended.
If you want to go the religious route, to the best of my knowledge there's only about one or two things that God won't forgive you for is forsaking Him and taking other gods as your own. Murder is not one of them. If there people truly repent and truly ask forgiveness, God pretty much supposedly will grant it and into Heaven they will go. So isn't a lifetime paying for your sins a little more satisfying on the base human level than ending their pain and suffering and even possibly hastening their ascendancy to Heaven?
OT, how would that work in Heaven? You get murdered, you got to Heaven, your murderer repents, goes to Heaven, do you meet in some way? Is there any base human feelings left over or is it instant forgiveness or do we even have the same semblance of emotions we have in life? Funaky shit there.
Though I personally think the death penalty is wrong, I'm not God nor do I play Him on TV, my only real opposition to the death penalty is the very real threat of offing an innocent person. You put someone in prison for 20 years by mistake, you can still let them out. Even a lame ass 'oops our bad' is still significantly better than being dead, and dead is what you are after being executed. Dead is dead. Done. Gone. Fini'. No Give Backs.
I started to write or let a guilty person go free, but we aren't, we're talking life in prison with no possibility of parole. Make it an act of Congress, or the state legislature on the state level, and it'll never happen with the politics we have, so no claiming we're letting guilty people walk.
So it is, at it's most base, a question of whether we are willing to risk executing an innocent person or imprison a guilty one for life. I really don't see the problem?
I kind of like Corzine, even if I do think he's probably as dirty as my week old underwear.
In signing Monday's bill, Corzine called it a "momentous day" and made New Jersey the first state to ban capital punishment since the U.S. Supreme Court reinstated it in 1976.
"It's a day of progress for the state of New Jersey and for the millions of people across our nation and around the globe who reject the death penalty as a moral or practical response to the grievous, even heinous, crime of murder," Corzine said.
Society is not forgiving criminals, the Democratic governor insisted, but the law is necessary because "government cannot provide a fool-proof death penalty that precludes the possibility of executing the innocent."
"Society must ask," he continued, "is it not morally superior to imprison 100 people for life than it is to execute all 100 when it's probable we execute an innocent?"
The state Assembly approved the measure Thursday by a 44-36 vote after the Senate OK'd it 21-16.
New Jersey has not executed a prisoner since 1963.
Not as heavy as it could be seeing as how they haven't offed anybody in my entire lifetime, but still significant, again IMO.
The only argument one can make for killing them instead of life in prison is based on the false premise that somehow being in prison for the rest if your life isn't all that bad. We're talking no possibility of parole here, ever, so that straw man is burned.
And anyone that think state prison is a fucking country club where you just hang out and and pump up and learn to be a lawyer so you can dick with the system on our by God dime doesn't know anyone that's ever been in a state prison, let alone been there themselves. I never have, though I've visited, but I know a few, sadly, not for knowing them just for them being there, that have been in state prison.
We're not talking where people who screw tens of thousands of people out of their life savings go. But I won't get into the gross disparities between 'white' and 'blue' collar crimes, they speak for themselves as far as I'm concerned.
And one could argue that being in prison possibly getting ass raped for the next couple of decades and maybe even shived in the process would be harsher than being offed nice and quiet like with a nice buzz and an audience and all your pain and suffering ended.
If you want to go the religious route, to the best of my knowledge there's only about one or two things that God won't forgive you for is forsaking Him and taking other gods as your own. Murder is not one of them. If there people truly repent and truly ask forgiveness, God pretty much supposedly will grant it and into Heaven they will go. So isn't a lifetime paying for your sins a little more satisfying on the base human level than ending their pain and suffering and even possibly hastening their ascendancy to Heaven?
OT, how would that work in Heaven? You get murdered, you got to Heaven, your murderer repents, goes to Heaven, do you meet in some way? Is there any base human feelings left over or is it instant forgiveness or do we even have the same semblance of emotions we have in life? Funaky shit there.
Though I personally think the death penalty is wrong, I'm not God nor do I play Him on TV, my only real opposition to the death penalty is the very real threat of offing an innocent person. You put someone in prison for 20 years by mistake, you can still let them out. Even a lame ass 'oops our bad' is still significantly better than being dead, and dead is what you are after being executed. Dead is dead. Done. Gone. Fini'. No Give Backs.
I started to write or let a guilty person go free, but we aren't, we're talking life in prison with no possibility of parole. Make it an act of Congress, or the state legislature on the state level, and it'll never happen with the politics we have, so no claiming we're letting guilty people walk.
So it is, at it's most base, a question of whether we are willing to risk executing an innocent person or imprison a guilty one for life. I really don't see the problem?
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